Jack - While I am as appalled by this latest gun development as you are,, please don't be that guy who goes out of control overstating the case (leave that crazy mechanism to, say, Fox News.) Here's the thing: Since, I don't know, FOREVER, after a Red Ryder BB gun, EVERY "kid's" first rifle is a Ruger 10/22. The Ruger holds ten .22 long-rifle bullets at one time, and fires each every time you pull the trigger. Now, a .22 bullet CAN kill a person, but there are also cases where people have been hit 50 or 60 TIMES by .22 fire and survived. It can't "cut you in half." A .22 bullet is pretty small. It will bounce off an inflated car tire. Most Ar-15's fire 9mm bullets with a HUGE powder charge behind them - the bullets look like freakin' MISSILES. They WILL cut someone in half, and can shoot through a concrete wall. That's the first big difference.
Second, though, is the fact that, as I see it, nobody is marketing guns to pre-teens. (Depending on state laws, parenting, and/or age requirements,) the Ruger 10/22 is suggested for teens under close adult supervision. The people at WEE1 are suggesting the same. Their .22 ALSO only holds (max) 10 rounds. UNLIKE the Ruger, it has a newly-patented parental safety lock. The only REAL difference between the two guns is that the JR-15 "looks more basass."
SO... once upon a long time ago, I, mister-liberal-as-you-are, decided that I wanted a gun for home defense. I did not want a handgun (and all the registration/hoop jumping that goes with that,) just something "in case." (I hated my time in the Boy Scouts, but "be prepared" remains my motto.) At a local gun show, I bought a Hi Point 9mm carbine. I was fully background checked (as I would have hoped and expected,) and got the gun about a half-hour after I said, I want to buy this." Thing is, it was cheap (and reliable), but it was butt-ugly. It looked like a bad rifle out of "Planet of the Apes." So I changed out the stock with something I got on Ebay. I added a fold-down front grip. I added a good scope and a laser sight. Just for shits-and-giggles, a added a fold-down bi-pod (for prone shooting, as if I'd ever need it.) THE GUN remained the same.... I just changed its cosmetics. Recently, I found out that my perfectly-legal-gun-that-I-passed-the-checks-for may NOW be illegal under NYS law BECAUSE OF THAT FRONT GRIP. I cannot wrap my head around that. The GUN part hasn't changed... just a better way to control it.
I bring up this story because (and I could be wrong) right now, I see no difference between the Ruger 10/22 and the JR-15 except cosmetics. The Hi-Point I BOUGHT and the ("sexier") version I created ARE THE SAME GUN. As far as I can presently tell, the same is true of the 10/22 vs. the JR-15.
Yes, the marketing is appalling. Yes, this will go nowhere good. But DO reign in the rhetoric before you get the big picture.
The JR-15 isn't he bad guy. The GOP "laws" allowing guns EVERYWHERE are the bad guys. Put your wrath in the right place.
David- I've fired M-16s extensively during my time in the Army. AR-15s are merely a semi-automatic version of the same weapon that fire the same ammunition as an M-16. Whether or not we agree on the ammo being able to "cut a person in half," it will come damned close. My point is that the JR-15, as I understand it, is a mini-version of the AR-15. I may be wrong on that, but I think WEE1 Tactical is leaning heavily on marketing the JR-15 as a sawed-off version of the AR-15.
I don't believe there's any need to market weapons of war to children. That was the point I was trying to make. I think WEE1 Tactical is wrong, and I believe people will die because of it. In a country already awash in weapons, this is wrong on so many levels.
And I'm not ignoring the GOP MORGUNZ!!! politics. But the JR-15 is just another atrocious manifestation of our national sickness.
Jack - Yes, apparently. :(
God**n it! I just wrote a fairly long and thought-out response to you, and had to refresh the page, whereupon everything I wrote disappeared.
No time to re-do it now.
PISSED does not even begin to describe my present feeling about my email server.
:), D
I think you may have angered the email gods. 🤗 🤣
Yes, I just noted at least two typos in my last rant. I'm guessing it's still readable. :)
Yeah, I think it works just fine. 😊
Jack - While I am as appalled by this latest gun development as you are,, please don't be that guy who goes out of control overstating the case (leave that crazy mechanism to, say, Fox News.) Here's the thing: Since, I don't know, FOREVER, after a Red Ryder BB gun, EVERY "kid's" first rifle is a Ruger 10/22. The Ruger holds ten .22 long-rifle bullets at one time, and fires each every time you pull the trigger. Now, a .22 bullet CAN kill a person, but there are also cases where people have been hit 50 or 60 TIMES by .22 fire and survived. It can't "cut you in half." A .22 bullet is pretty small. It will bounce off an inflated car tire. Most Ar-15's fire 9mm bullets with a HUGE powder charge behind them - the bullets look like freakin' MISSILES. They WILL cut someone in half, and can shoot through a concrete wall. That's the first big difference.
Second, though, is the fact that, as I see it, nobody is marketing guns to pre-teens. (Depending on state laws, parenting, and/or age requirements,) the Ruger 10/22 is suggested for teens under close adult supervision. The people at WEE1 are suggesting the same. Their .22 ALSO only holds (max) 10 rounds. UNLIKE the Ruger, it has a newly-patented parental safety lock. The only REAL difference between the two guns is that the JR-15 "looks more basass."
SO... once upon a long time ago, I, mister-liberal-as-you-are, decided that I wanted a gun for home defense. I did not want a handgun (and all the registration/hoop jumping that goes with that,) just something "in case." (I hated my time in the Boy Scouts, but "be prepared" remains my motto.) At a local gun show, I bought a Hi Point 9mm carbine. I was fully background checked (as I would have hoped and expected,) and got the gun about a half-hour after I said, I want to buy this." Thing is, it was cheap (and reliable), but it was butt-ugly. It looked like a bad rifle out of "Planet of the Apes." So I changed out the stock with something I got on Ebay. I added a fold-down front grip. I added a good scope and a laser sight. Just for shits-and-giggles, a added a fold-down bi-pod (for prone shooting, as if I'd ever need it.) THE GUN remained the same.... I just changed its cosmetics. Recently, I found out that my perfectly-legal-gun-that-I-passed-the-checks-for may NOW be illegal under NYS law BECAUSE OF THAT FRONT GRIP. I cannot wrap my head around that. The GUN part hasn't changed... just a better way to control it.
I bring up this story because (and I could be wrong) right now, I see no difference between the Ruger 10/22 and the JR-15 except cosmetics. The Hi-Point I BOUGHT and the ("sexier") version I created ARE THE SAME GUN. As far as I can presently tell, the same is true of the 10/22 vs. the JR-15.
Yes, the marketing is appalling. Yes, this will go nowhere good. But DO reign in the rhetoric before you get the big picture.
The JR-15 isn't he bad guy. The GOP "laws" allowing guns EVERYWHERE are the bad guys. Put your wrath in the right place.
:), David
David- I've fired M-16s extensively during my time in the Army. AR-15s are merely a semi-automatic version of the same weapon that fire the same ammunition as an M-16. Whether or not we agree on the ammo being able to "cut a person in half," it will come damned close. My point is that the JR-15, as I understand it, is a mini-version of the AR-15. I may be wrong on that, but I think WEE1 Tactical is leaning heavily on marketing the JR-15 as a sawed-off version of the AR-15.
I don't believe there's any need to market weapons of war to children. That was the point I was trying to make. I think WEE1 Tactical is wrong, and I believe people will die because of it. In a country already awash in weapons, this is wrong on so many levels.
And I'm not ignoring the GOP MORGUNZ!!! politics. But the JR-15 is just another atrocious manifestation of our national sickness.